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I do see the mummy thing right now, actually. Makes decent sense.

But how do you scale "kill people on sight" back? Force a will save? Impose a penalty to checks whenever you're around living beings, unless you're killing something (I assume that would spawn a party of ghouls), and how on earth do you make a "SUNLIGHT MY ONLY WEAKNESS" race without having every encounter be either a demonstration of the vampire having no problems, or the vampire getting stabbed up the ass by sunlight attacks.

...You Lost Me wrote:I do see the mummy thing right now, actually. Makes decent sense.

But how do you scale "kill people on sight" back? Force a will save? Impose a penalty to checks whenever you're around living beings, unless you're killing something (I assume that would spawn a party of ghouls), and how on earth do you make a "SUNLIGHT MY ONLY WEAKNESS" race without having every encounter be either a demonstration of the vampire having no problems, or the vampire getting stabbed up the ass by sunlight attacks.

I mean, I don't really know, If I wanted to do the work, I would just have done it.

But for sunlight, one example is to give Vampires a -2 penalty to a lot of things when they have been in light, and for a while after.

If Team Monster knows they can use a move action to impose a -2 penalty for the combat, they probably will, and because the penalty is so light, the party will generally be prone to say things like, suck it up bitch, we want to go fight stuff.

That also makes sense. Thank you, Kaelik.

Kill on sight is unworkable, but broadly speaking it it can be considered to be an extreme form of social penalty. So perhaps a ravenous ghoul would be unworkable as a PC, but you could certainly make up forms of undead that don't hunt and eat villagers but instead has a penalty to social checks due to being considered an ill omen.

Whipstitch wrote:Kill on sight is unworkable, but broadly speaking it it can be considered to be an extreme form of social penalty. So perhaps a ravenous ghoul would be unworkable as a PC, but you could certainly make up forms of undead that don't hunt and eat villagers but instead has a penalty to social checks due to being considered an ill omen.

The penalty was supposed to be an unworkable example of something that could be scaled back to being workable to show that social penalty is a spectrum that ranges from not a penalty (Being a Vampire, and people attacking Vampires on sight, but no one ever finding out) to game breakingly crippling, IE, can't even play parts of the game with your character. And in the middle is going to be someplace that people consider sufficiently compensating for not breathing and being immune to poison and disease.

Personally, I'm more in favor of things that are bad but not game ending when they trigger and definitely trigger a small number of times to things that trigger often for minor stuff, but I'm not the only person in the world, so in general, I think people should pick whichever one of those they want.